"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
06/01/2019 at 11:20 • Filed to: None
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"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
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Microsoft says January, 2020 is end of the line for Windows 7. I remember Windows XP dragged on for years after Microsoft said it would. Wonderings:
* Will Microsoft make good on January, 2020 EOL?
* I have SEVEN Win 7 computers currently. How much trouble will I have getting the drivers for Win 10?
* On Ebay, there are COAs available for as little as $3. Would those do the job?
Thoughts? Suggestions? Thank you.
My X-type is too a real Jaguar
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 11:26 |
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You can still get the free upgrade with Win 7 you just have to download the win 10 and manually install.
I have not had a lot of driver issues except with really old 10+ years video cards.
Nixon's Back
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 11:32 |
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https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/
Nick Has an Exocet
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 11:35 |
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I didn’t have any driver issues many years ago when I upgraded. I’m curious how someone ends up with 7 WIN7 computers in 2019, haha.
I’ve been VERY happy with 10. It’s stable, works with everything I’ve thrown at it, and seems to do fine even on older hardware. I think the upgrade to 10 is so easy, Microsoft will definitely make good on that deadline.
CB
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 11:39 |
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As someone who works in an office where every computer is Windows 7, I'm curious as to how boned we are.
Captain of the Enterprise
> CB
06/01/2019 at 11:44 |
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Same here, we also have mostly machines around 10 years old so I wonder if we can even upgrade the operating system or if we’ll need new(er) machines
Goggles Pizzano
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 12:09 |
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I believe support will end shortly after the deadline. There will be a grace period, but not years. Adobe needs more profit, dammit .
Thomas Donohue
> CB
06/01/2019 at 12:36 |
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These days, I would not want to run an OS that wasn’t getting frequent updates. I only have one laptop left running on Win 7, and it doesn’t get much use anymore since I got a new Surface Go. Might just swap it over to Linux as a test machine.
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Thomas Donohue
> Nick Has an Exocet
06/01/2019 at 12:38 |
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Windows 7? Windows XP still had a 5% market share around the world as of 2018. It was released in 2001.
There is a reason companies are still getting hacked and attacked...mostly old software, or new software without patches.
https://www.windowslatest.com/2018/04/04/windows-xp-is-still-going-strong/
Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 12:40 |
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All EOL means is they stop offering free security patches. You can technically still keep using it if you’re willing to pay.
However, if these systems are not connected to any network, then it doesn’t matter nearly as much that they’re EOL.
As for getting drivers for windows 10, it really depends on which drivers for what hardware.
If it’s old hardware from a defunct company, you might have a problem.
I suggest setting up a windows 10 testbed machine.
Also I typically recommended upgrading your hardware along with upgrading to Win10... and then just migrate the software.
And another approach... get a win10 machine, but then set up a VM running windows 7 for the specific app that can’t run on win10.
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Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
> CB
06/01/2019 at 12:43 |
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It depends on whether the machine needs to stay connected to a network and/or if it’s running software or custom hardware that doesn’t run properly on win10.
In a worst case, you can set up a Win10 machine and run a win7 vm on it.
Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing.
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 14:02 |
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I’m kinda boned as well. I like Windows Media Center, for the most part (it does what I need for OTA TV quite well , but is kinda sucky at other things) and I am not quite ready to upgrade to something else. Better the devil you know, right? Most of my machines are dual boot and have 10 installed, but 7 has been good to me and I hate to give it up. If it wasn’t for the WMC issue I’d be running 10 everywhere.
If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 14:06 |
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The Win10 kernel has much better plug-n-play support than any previous iteration. When I upgraded my laptop from 7 to 10 it actually uninstalled my biometrics driver (fingerprint scanner) and runs the biometrics natively. It even rolled over my network adapter driver so I was able to immediately go online and find the few drivers it couldn’t update.
As long as you’re not using XP- era hardware you should be able to find drivers. If your pc is intel-based Intel actually has a free driver utility that will fetch the right packages for you.
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If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
> CB
06/01/2019 at 14:07 |
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A lot of schools are still using 7 too.
jminer
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 14:32 |
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FYI - you can activate W indows 10 with a Windows 7 license key.
I work for a large company and have been pushing hard for getting rid of all our windows 7 machines by the end of year. It’s not going to happen as there are so many legacy products we use that have windows 10 issues but we’ll get close (95%).
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> My X-type is too a real Jaguar
06/01/2019 at 14:59 |
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I will look into this. Do you download an ISO from Microsoft?
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent
06/01/2019 at 15:01 |
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My district has Win8 with a Win7 GUI. But I shun their equipment because they won’t let me maintain it. So I provide my own for my own use and I am much happier that way.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Nick Has an Exocet
06/01/2019 at 15:03 |
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I have seven PCs that I use each day — well, four or five of them on any given day — and I should begin working on updating this summer.
Download an ISO from Microsoft? Another Op here says I can activate Win10 with a Win7 key. Truth?
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
06/01/2019 at 15:05 |
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Everything I run is very straightforward: MS Office and Adobe CS6 being the primary things. My computers are all Dell except 1.
I need to confirm that I can activate Win10 with a valid Win7 COA/key.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing.
06/01/2019 at 15:06 |
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What is “WMC issue?”
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> jminer
06/01/2019 at 15:08 |
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I’m a teacher and I’ll be off for the summer soon and I have a fleet of 7 PCs that I use the majority of on any given day. I think I’ll begin migrating them over the summer.
Seriously about using a Win7 key? That’s entirely news to me.
NKato
> jminer
06/01/2019 at 15:16 |
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I don't think Win10 is a trustworthy product for businesses. Largely due to the baked in nature of quite a few "features" that I think could get hijacked by bad actors.
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My X-type is too a real Jaguar
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 15:19 |
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Yes, and if the computer you are installing too has an activated copy of Windows 7 on it, you enter the windows 7 Key and it will detect what version you have and install the comparable version of 10 Pro for Pro Home for Home etc.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/software-download/windows10
It really is very simple the automatic upgrade is just gone.
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Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing.
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 15:44 |
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Windows Media Center (WMC) isn’t part of the OS like it was before and I’m not quite ready to give it up just yet. There are workarounds to make it sorta work in 10, but then MS breaks it again with their next update. I’d rather not go through the hassle. I really need to find a good media center for 10 and move on but I haven’t had the time to research, test and install.
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jminer
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 15:56 |
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Yeah, it’s what I do. Works like a charm.
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jminer
> NKato
06/01/2019 at 15:57 |
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You lock all these down with policies. And the OS is a current kernel that's actively patched, better solution to run it than an order version of Windows.
RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 16:47 |
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Teacher here as well that does computer repair on the side...I upgrade to Win10 using Win7 keys all the time! :)
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> My X-type is too a real Jaguar
06/01/2019 at 17:29 |
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This sounds like an upgrade. What about a clean install?
Also, all of my computers are Dell. I’ve been using a Dell Win7 DVD and the Windows activation always goes straight through. Should I look for a Dell Win10 disc and work the same way?
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> My X-type is too a real Jaguar
06/01/2019 at 17:29 |
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Also, thank you...!
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing.
06/01/2019 at 17:30 |
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I am totally unfamiliar with WMC, but that’s alright. I just missed the reference.
Thanks.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> jminer
06/01/2019 at 17:34 |
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Thank you.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
06/01/2019 at 17:34 |
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Have you done any clean installations?
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RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 18:11 |
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Yup, full wipe and then reinstall Win10 using the Win7 key on the case. I should mention there are CERTAIN Win7 keys that don’t work, but that’s been rare in my case.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Nick Has an Exocet
06/01/2019 at 18:18 |
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I didn’t have any driver issues many years ago when I upgraded. I’m curious how someone ends up with 7 WIN7 computers in 2019, haha.
Because they like it? I found Windows 8 to be utterly loathsome and Microsoft was running around updating peoples’ OS without even asking them and I gave them the one-finger salute and installed a utility that blocked them from upgrading my computers. I don’t game or do anything besides MS Office and Adobe CS6. And Oppo...
TorqueToYield
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 20:11 |
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I haven't had to think about drivers in years with Windows 10.
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My X-type is too a real Jaguar
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 20:14 |
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Clean install just put in a Win 7 Key during the install
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> TorqueToYield
06/01/2019 at 20:14 |
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Well, now there's a ringing endorsement...
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My X-type is too a real Jaguar
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 20:14 |
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On the dell’s the Key will be on the case
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> My X-type is too a real Jaguar
06/01/2019 at 21:04 |
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Pretty sure you can also search the registry for the key.
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My X-type is too a real Jaguar
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 21:09 |
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Or command prompt
wmic path softwarelicensingservice get OA3xOriginalProductKey
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Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 22:31 |
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Most likely a win 7 key will NOT work with a win 10 install.
I’m pretty sure about that.
The best way to upgrade to windows 10 if you don't have an enterprise agreement is to buy new/newer hardware that already comes with the win10 licence.
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TorqueToYield
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 22:53 |
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Better to stick with some 10 year old OS going to EOL amirite
If you really only need web browsing, light word processing, and some image editing layout and want a modern OS with near decade long support on the same version you’d be better served with something like Ubuntu LTS.
Windows 10 has been out for 4 years now, that’s a lifetime in software.
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Nick Has an Exocet
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/01/2019 at 23:36 |
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Yeah, it just feels like work at this point trying to installing it - though maybe you have dedicated disk or USB drive. I never seem to have a copy of
Windows and re-download it from MS every time I need it. That usually speeds the install since they also tend to pack in the latest updates to the installer. I also take it that you have people in your household using these PCs? I think I have 4 computers and still consider that to be a lot.
Totally understand on Windows 8. I guess it makes sense if you tried that and just decided to hold off for a while. That forced update shenanigans was utterly maddening.
Gotcha. I play the occasional game, but nothing crazy.
Here’s your upgrade procedure to turn your current Win 7 copies into Windows 10.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
06/01/2019 at 23:38 |
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Replace my fleet of seven computers? May wanna work around that one.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> TorqueToYield
06/01/2019 at 23:40 |
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Learn Utuntu <> Easy
I would not classify my work with Adobe CS6 as light.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Nick Has an Exocet
06/01/2019 at 23:56 |
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What’s your feeling about running the update versus performing a clean install? Updating in place sounds much easier and my usage is not demanding. Office, CS6 and web browser. Occasional light video editing.
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Nick Has an Exocet
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/02/2019 at 00:08 |
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With 7 computers, I would try updating in place but knowing that 1 or 2 might fail and need a clean install. I’ve had about 4 out 5 luck on upgrading in place. Thankfully it fails really gracefully as if it never happened. Plus, if things are wonky after install, Windows 10 has a nice reset feature that lets you wipe it to varying degrees.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> Nick Has an Exocet
06/02/2019 at 00:10 |
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That's what we'll try.
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Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/02/2019 at 11:08 |
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You don’t have to replace them... just supplement them.
And then use the old win7 systems for other useful things... like planters, boat anchors and door stops...
Lol
qbeezy
> TorqueToYield
06/02/2019 at 11:28 |
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Unfortunately, I had to think about them forcing bad updates to your machine, causing major hardware issues.
RooseveltDad
> Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/02/2019 at 12:05 |
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CS6 works well with Windows 10. One day, though, it won’t, and one of the groups I support will need to make a painful financial decision, because CC is $285 / year / seat.
Migrating to Windows 10 is a good next step.
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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> RooseveltDad
06/02/2019 at 16:10 |
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Or $10/mo academic. I use it a lot for a self-made user.